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PA Life Training Day panel discussion: Taking the next step in your career

Panel discussion at PA Life Training Day

PA Life Editor Amelia Walker hosted an informative panel discussion at the last PA Life Training Day to find out how PAs can prepare to take the next step in their career. Participants gave some excellent tips and talked about their experience to help attendees in their job search.

The panel included both established PAs and industry experts, including Steve Heard, Director of Hays PA & Secretarial; Alison Boler, Paralegal PA at Sony Music; and Adam Fidler, former EA and Principal Consultant at Adept Executive Support.

Amelia started things off by asking how assistants know when itโ€™s time to move on. Alison jumped at the opportunity to talk about her recent career change after eight years at ITV. โ€œI had got comfortable and was afraid to step forward for a new role,โ€ she said. โ€œI finally decided that I had to throw myself off the speeding train that was my old role and within three weeks I had another job. I stuck my neck out to do what I really wanted to do and it paid off.โ€

Amelia then pointed out that making the decision to move is all about knowing what you want. Adam said he had been a PA at board level for years and realised he was getting bored. โ€œI didnโ€™t want to do it anymore,โ€ he admitted. โ€œI qualified as a teacher so I could work as a lecturer and ended up being offered a job as an assistant at a college. It allowed me to go into a role I was familiar with, but I learned a lot and I got to stretch my skills. You have to decide what you want to do.โ€

โ€œI recently turned down a promotion and everybody thought I was crazy,โ€ Alison added. โ€œBut it wasnโ€™t what I wanted. I believe in expanding out, not up, meaning I want to learn more and widen the spectrum of my role rather than take a step up.โ€

โ€œIt shouldnโ€™t be about getting more money โ€“ in fact thatโ€™s a really bad reason to leave a job,โ€ Steve advised. โ€œIf what youโ€™re after is more money, try to resolve it in your current role first, and only move on if youโ€™re not successful.

โ€œI also tell people not to do it just because it looks good on your CV. Think about whether you can learn and grow in a role before you go for it. Does it fit with what you want? Itโ€™s your career, so youโ€™re allowed to be choosy with the jobs you take.

โ€œSometimes the best time to look for a job is when youโ€™re kind of comfortable in your current role.โ€

Alison agreed, saying: โ€œI wasnโ€™t actively looking for a job when I found out about the position at Sony Music. Iโ€™d just had a bad week at work and happened to find out about it through the grapevine.โ€

Amelia then turned the topic to the use of social media in a job search, pointing out that statistics show a good number of jobs are never listed but rather filled through word of mouth. How can PAs use LinkedIn to find the right role?

โ€œYes itโ€™s a great tool, but you have to be careful what you put online,โ€ recommended Steve. โ€œYour LinkedIn profile has to reflect your CV and your skillset in every way. At the end of the day, youโ€™ll get a job because you interviewed well, but having the contacts on LinkedIn or through networks is valuable.โ€

โ€œI will absolutely search for candidates on Google and look at any profiles that come up,โ€ said Alison, who gets involved in hiring.

โ€œA huge amount of assistants receive job opportunities through networking and word of mouth. When I was ready to move on from my corporate role, I thought about what I should be involved in and what recruiters would look for.โ€

Steve warned that LinkedIn can be dangerous if youโ€™re looking for a job while working, as updating your profile is usually a sign to your employer that youโ€™re thinking of moving on. However, Adam said honesty is the best policy. โ€œBe open with your boss about your intentions. A good manager will encourage you, while a bad one wonโ€™t โ€“ itโ€™s a great way to find out if leaving is actually necessary.โ€

How can PAs make their CV stand out? Speaking from experience, Alison said: โ€œI hadnโ€™t updated mine in the eight years I was at ITV and when I decided to leave I realised it wasnโ€™t special. I spent hours tweaking it to match the role I wanted. I researched the job inside and out. Itโ€™s important to use your CV to show an employer that youโ€™re perfect for the job.โ€

What about the age-old belief that a good CV should fit onto a single side of A4 paper? โ€œItโ€™s possible if youโ€™re concise with your message,โ€ suggested Alison. โ€œStart by writing out the entire thing, then spend some time whittling it down to just the most essential information.โ€

Adam agreed. โ€œTaylor your CV every time you apply for a job โ€“ donโ€™t just have a standard version that you send out to employers. Generic CVs are easy to spot. If you want to elevate what you do, elevate your language to sound more managerial. Donโ€™t assume the employer knows anything about the PA role. You have to spell out how your experience fits what theyโ€™re looking for.โ€

Alison said: โ€œRemember that 99% of PA roles are vetted by existing PAs, so they can see through lies and hyperbole.โ€

โ€œI think CVs can definitely fit one or two pages,โ€ commented Steve. โ€œKeep it relevant โ€“ remove any old roles that donโ€™t have anything to do with the job youโ€™re going for. Your goal is to land an interview, so you have to be able to sell yourself with your CV. Think about who your audience is and do some research.โ€

Speaking about modern job searching, Adam said: โ€œThe problem with online applications is itโ€™s so easy to click apply without putting much thought into it. On the other side, companies are getting so many applications that they have to automate the process by having systems that search CVs for key words and terms.โ€

On the topic of buzzwords, Steve advised: โ€œIf you use keywords, it shows youโ€™ve put some thought into the application and actually paid attention to the job specification. Keep in mind that some employers have a check list they use to comb through CVs and theyโ€™ll throw out any that donโ€™t tick the boxes.โ€

How can PAs make the most of a cover letter? โ€œItโ€™s a chance to go into a bit more detail about your enthusiasm and show that youโ€™ve done your research,โ€ Steve commented.

When it comes to the interview stage, Alison recalled recent interviews her boss conducted, saying: โ€œMy boss specifically asked me to meet the candidates so he could get my opinion of them. Remember that everyone is interviewing you, from the receptionist up to the boss.

โ€œIf I meet someone who doesnโ€™t come across as confident, I know theyโ€™re not the right fit. Donโ€™t be afraid to chat about the company with the receptionist or the person who takes you to the interview room. Even if you do really well talking about your skills and qualifications, youโ€™ll get bad feedback if you donโ€™t represent yourself well from the start.โ€

Steve then outlined his top tips for a successful job search. โ€œThese are things you should keep in mind when you start looking:

  • The goal of your CV is to land an interview.
  • The goal of the interview is to get a job offer; Iโ€™ve seen the least qualified candidate on paper get hired because they interviewed well.
  • Prepare yourself for the question โ€œTell me about yourself.โ€ Itโ€™s a popular one and needs to have a good answer.
  • Find a sly way to show the employer that you prepared for the interview, particularly at the first stage.
  • In the first interview, donโ€™t talk about money, benefits, or training. That can be negotiated at a later stage or after youโ€™ve received an offer.
  • Donโ€™t get tripped up by questions about skills you donโ€™t have; be honest and demonstrate your willingness to learn and develop.
  • When the money question does come up, donโ€™t give them a range of figures; either tell them exactly what youโ€™d like to receive, or ask them what theyโ€™re offering and go from there.
  • Focus on the positives, ask questions and look for any opportunities the role can offer.

Amelia turned the floor to the attendees for questions and the first one to come up was whether itโ€™s a good idea to call a company to follow up at any stage. โ€œItโ€™s always worth it, even just to reiterate your interest in the role. If you call after an interview, thank them for their time and the opportunity. Even if you donโ€™t get the job, theyโ€™ll remember that you took the time to follow up and they might consider you for other roles.โ€

How do PAs write a professional resignation? Speaking as an authority on recruitment, Steve said: โ€œWhen youโ€™ve got an offer and accepted a role, you have to take a step back and think rationally. There are only two things a professional resignation need to include: a letter to confirm your intent to resign with a thank you and a hand-over document that outlines everything you can and cannot complete within your notice period.

โ€œDonโ€™t be fooled by a counter offer โ€“ a lot of people who accept a counter offer end up leaving within a year anyway because of deeper problems. Avoid going into specifics about your new role because it will just spur your employer into a bidding war.

โ€œLeaving a job is a very emotional time, especially if youโ€™re going because youโ€™ve accepted a new role. Donโ€™t be surprised if things donโ€™t go smoothly, and if they donโ€™t, try to remain professional throughout your notice period.โ€

What is the best way to deal with salary differences between sectors if it means landing your dream job? All three panellists agreed that this is where negotiation skills can come in handy.

โ€œOutline the value youโ€™ll be adding to the business in real terms and build a case for higher pay. The worst they can do is say no,โ€ said Alison.

โ€œAt the end of the day, this is your future. If the salary isnโ€™t good enough even after negotiating, you need to think about the reason behind it and whether the role is worth taking a pay cut,โ€ Steve suggested.

What do the panellists suggest when it comes to securing flexible hours? Steve said: โ€œIt depends on how brave you feel. I would suggest not highlighting your need for flexible hours until you get to the interview stage. If you wow them in person, they might be more willing to consider alternative arrangements in the negotiations.โ€

Going back to our discussion at this yearโ€™s office* show, assistant job titles can cause a lot of confusion in a job search. How can PAs get past that obstacle? Adam looked back on his previous role, saying: โ€œI was an EA but also a manager. I never changed my job title because I knew the value of my job. I donโ€™t think titles are actually that important, but a lot of people do. I think your responsibilities and skills will speak for themselves independent of your title.โ€

This is all valuable advice from professionals who clearly know what theyโ€™re talking about.